Marathon Level 2

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  • #20377
    allgasnobrakes
    Participant

    I’m curious if anyone can tell me how many Marathon Pace runs are in the level 1, if any, compared to level 2. Im on the fence between both plans and I’d really like to have MP runs so I can more accurately hit my finish goal.
    Thanks!

    #20383
    maddenap
    Participant

    Unless level 1 has been updated to include them, it does not have any marathon pace runs. The plan does have a steady state run that you can use for marathon pace.

    I’m not sure how many level 2 has, but I surmise it has a few. I will be starting the level 3 marathon plan in about 2 weeks and that has 4 MP pace runs.

    Hope that helps!

    Andrew

    #20384
    allgasnobrakes
    Participant

    Thanks for the input.
    Wondering how am I supposed to hit a target finish time if I don’t have any runs practicing the required pace.

    #20385
    maddenap
    Participant

    I applied the level 2 plan (advantage of being a gold subscriber) and it contains 3 MP runs.

    Level 1 is designed to be a low volume/masters plan. You can probably make a long run a marathon paced run (structure it in a way that gives you a few miles warm up, a few miles at MP then a few miles to cool down) but I wouldn’t do it more than twice, or you risk losing the 80/20 balance as a whole. With that being said, it will absolutely get you over the finish line if you stick to it as written.

    If you can take on the higher volume in the level 2 plan, I would recommend that over the level 1 plan.

    Andrew
    Certified 80/20 Coach

    #20402
    Leyla Porteous
    Keymaster

    Just food for thought – but for many runners marathon pace is top of zone 2 at best top of Zone X. So all long runs in the Marathon Level 1 plan are marathon pace practice runs for a large majority of athletes. You may find as you work your way through the plan you can start to run your pace in the upper end of Zone 2 and into Zone X, rather than the mid to lower range, giving you “marathon pace” practice.

    Check out this resource regarding 80/20 Race Pacing.

    Race Pacing

    Coach Leyla

    #20411
    benonemusic
    Participant

    Leyla is right–a lot of the runs are essentially marathon pace. As mentioned above, there are three runs in the Level 2 plan called “Marathon Pace”–specifically, the long runs are at the end of weeks 8, 11, and 16.

    Ben

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    #20476
    runnerc
    Participant

    I’m new here, and apologize in advance for content potentially covered elsewhere. I’m on week 8 of the Level 2 marathon plan, referenced entirely from the book, as I didn’t buy an online training plan. The book doesn’t mention any runs at MP (or I couldn’t find it if it did) — I want to confirm/check on whether I should do my long runs at MP for this week, and at weeks 11 and 16? Any guidance on how to identify MP? I’ve run 7 marathons but my last one was 10+ years ago; this is my first foray into polarized training and I’m optimistic that I can cut 10-15 min off my PR, but am wary of going out too fast and faltering. Thanks!

    #20479
    StevenSensei
    Participant

    Hi Runnerc! Good job on working on your training block. Hopefully it is going well! Here is the information from my current Level 2 plan. From what I’ve seen in the plan and on the forums it looks like MP is generally high zone 2 to low/mid zone x. The following comes from the training plan and notes. Hope this helps.

    80/20 Coaches – I hope this doesn’t break any rules. If I need to edit or delete this post please let me know and I will be happy to do so.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Week 8 – MP Run
    1km – zone 1
    2km – zone 2
    6 x 1.5km @ MP (targets zone x) /1.5km Zone 2
    2km – zone 1

    Week 11 – MP Run
    1km – zone 1
    2km – zone 2
    20km @ MP
    2km – zone 1

    Week 16 – MP Run
    The same as week 11 but up to 26km at MP
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The notes state:
    Marathon Pace Runs are intended to help runners become more efficient and comfortable at marathon pace (MP). They can also be used outside of marathon training to provide an endurance stimulus that’s more challenging than a standard long run.

    Complete the Marathon Pace segments of this run at a speed you could sustain for a full marathon in race conditions. If you’re not sure what this is, just do your best and focus on using the run to get a clearer sense of your current marathon pace.

    Note that Marathon Pace Runs are always distance-based. Any time associated with this session is a broad estimate.

    #20480
    runnerc
    Participant

    Hi Steven, Thanks so much for your help! What you shared makes a ton of sense and sounds like a good approach of MP + HR zones.

    Yes, I’m really enjoying the 80/20 plan, so far it’s considerably easier than the Hal Higdon plans I’ve done in the past, likely because with those I wasn’t using a HRM and was training too hard/fast. I had been happy with the Level 2 plan in the 80/20 book but the more I get into the online community the more it seems like it may be worth getting an online plan. Thanks again!

    #20481
    StevenSensei
    Participant

    Glad it was helpful.

    As for the online plans. I honestly have fallen in love with using trainingpeaks along with my garmin watch / heart rate strap. The ability to schedule, move, and plan workouts and then just have them auto sync to my devices has been great. Not to mention the fact that my workouts will automatically sync back to the calendar in training peaks as well.

    I’ve just finished programming and adjusting my plan clear into November for a race I’m targeting and it was nice to be able to shift things around to fit in various practice events etc. Once the setup is done it’s honestly pretty seamless and takes the mental load off of the programming part, now I just have to do the thing.

    If you haven’t used it before I beleive that there are free trials avaliable and you can get a trial plan from 80/20 to play with. If you decide you like it there are various options out there to meet your needs/goals.

    #20486
    runnerc
    Participant

    Thanks for the endorsement of the trainingpeaks plans! I’ve been considering it but haven’t been certain about whether I want to pay for one when I already have the book, but it sounds like it may be worth it. I like the idea of not having to program each workout into Garmin manually…

    #20489
    Curry Gallagher
    Participant

    I appreciate your reply coach.

    I’ve used 80/209 plans with success for 70.3, but I’m looking at doing my first marathon.

    My question is will my marathon pace change as I progress through the training plan? I imagine it will and therefore my MP SHOULD be faster later in the plan than it was in week 8. Or should I be attempting to run my goal pace in week 8? (This assumes that my threshold testing in week 8 is shows that my MP is slower than my ultimate goal pace).

    Thanks!

    #20490
    Curry Gallagher
    Participant

    Sorry, but one more question. Are there recovery/down weeks built into a marathon plan?

    #20495
    FatDad
    Participant

    Every 3rd week is a recovery week on all 8020 running plans

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