Marathon Level 3 – marathon pace

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    chadaustin
    Participant

    I was comparing the last month of the marathon level 3 plan to what Scott Fauble ran before NYC in Inside a Marathon. Both programs have long MP workouts in the last 4-5 weeks of the program. However, Fauble ran 18 miles at MP 4 weeks out and 8 miles at MP 2 weeks out. The 80/20 plan had me running 10 miles at MP 5 weeks out and 16 miles at MP 2 weeks out. Honestly, 19 miles with 16 at MP just 2 weeks out from a marathon seems like a recipe to be tired on race day. Given that Matt trained with NAZ Elite for a summer, I’m curious why these 2 workouts are flip-flopped?

    Thanks.

    #20423
    Leyla Porteous
    Keymaster

    Hi Chad.
    I forwarded your post to Matt and below is his response:

    Hi, Chad.
    It takes about three days to recover from a big marathon-pace workout, assuming you’re prepared for it in the first place. When I was with NAZ Elite in 2017, Ben Rosario had Aaron Braun and me do our biggest MP workout two weeks out from Chicago, and we both had great races. I prefer a two-week marathon taper for most runners. Some elites need a three-week taper due to the very high training loads they carry, but I think that’s excessive for just about everyone else.

    #20424
    chadaustin
    Participant

    Thank you for the response. I just need to have faith and try it once and see how I respond. It’s just so counter-intuitive that it’s hard to wrap my head around. Thanks!

    #20425
    Leyla Porteous
    Keymaster

    Hey Chad,

    I would also add that doing the training in the weeks and months before these key workouts is essential. As Matt mentioned the session itself is effective if you have trained up for it. If you have had inconsistent training or longer runs that have not gone well it comes down to risk vs reward. Think about training in a way that leads you to really nailing that session 2 weeks out. It is the best tell of your current fitness, pacing strategy and nutrition. If however you have had inconsistent training, carrying an injury or excessive fatigue, then that session could be risky, and backing it off, or down would make more sense to arrive in a better condition for race day.

    Hope that provides some further context.

    Cheers
    Leyla

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